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jcboliveira
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Jacaru
That is not I read in Joel and Mike posts.
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jacaru
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Is it that SB3 beta test must be done with only that client installed and SB3 beta testers that also on IVAO can only use SB3 there too?
If that is the case I have the same problem with FSinn which is not compatible with Ivap  |
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rabbitcancer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | My family grew up in a country that needed barbed wire, guard towers, dogs, tanks and machine guns to keep its citizens inside its borders. |
Greenland?
| Quote: | | If you and IVAO have not made any arrangements to support SB3 on IVAO, why and who is beta testing on IVAO? |
Why don't you contact IVAO and find out....
The sooner you stop asking questions, the sooner SB3 may one day support your network. |
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Luke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| rcarlson wrote: | | Luke, are you saying that people have NOT migrated en masse to IVAO because they don't want to change pilot clients? The client is one piece of the puzzle, yes, but I think it's a relatively small piece. ... Of all the steps required when switching networks (registering, reading policies, etc.), installing a new client would be a relatively insignificant step, and certainly not a show-stopper |
I think that this is part of the reason. While the installation is pretty minor, getting used to the software and its quirks to the point where I'm fluid in the cockpit does take some getting used to for me. Policies and procedures are less of an issue for me (actually none at all) since I just get on the network, fly and try not to be an ass.
I think the different software is a barrier to change, but as you correctly point out, not the only one, and maybe not the major one.
[quote=Marting Georg/EDDF]i`m not going to get into this discussion in detail. The only thing I have to say that you are plain wrong.[/quote]
Not much I can say to that. However, based on what I see at Delta Virtual every day, there's a constant stream of "how do I get online" kind of posts. You see it on the VATSIM forums, and I imagine on IVAO right now as well.
Hypothetically, if I was creating an online network today, and made a deal with VATSIM/IVAO that no existing member of these networks could join but we would get all new online pilots, guess which one would be bigger in 24 months? And based on such a zero-sum claim, can we assume that VATSIM and IVAO and shut down their registration pages, since there aren't new pilots coming? Of course not.
Negative thoughts'll get you......
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Luke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| rabbitcancer wrote: | | Greenland? |
I recall an event around a decade and a half ago when a bunch of German hippies engaged in a large wanton act of vandalism over a perfectly good piece of construction built by the German Democratic Republic. Such a beautiful wall, and destroyed with the full encouragement of CNN and the western media. It's obvious they're all lefties, no respect for property at all.....
Czechoslovakia, actually. Perhaps you'd heard of the Iron Curtain? 
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rabbitcancer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Perhaps you'd heard of the Iron Curtain? |
yeah- they had some great tunes... |
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Luke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| rabbitcancer wrote: | | yeah- they had some great tunes... |
Don't you mean Iron Butterfly?
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joel
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| jacaru wrote: | | If you and IVAO have not made any arrangements to support SB3 on IVAO, why and who is beta testing on IVAO? |
No one, according to my knowledge.
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Luke
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| joel wrote: | | No one, according to my knowledge. |
What would be the steps necessary to do so? Are SB3 testers allowed to connect to IVAO, or do we need to talk to someone first?
Cheers!
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Martin Georg/EDDF
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| You´re good in starting provocations, Luke, aren´t you? . |
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rcarlson
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Luke wrote: | | I think the different software is a barrier to change, but as you correctly point out, not the only one, and maybe not the major one. |
Yeah, and I'm sure it varies quite a bit from one person to the next. Also, I think the ease of use of the software is more of a factor for first-time online pilots trying to decide which network to use, as opposed to users that are migrating from one network to another. The latter are used to jumping through hoops in order to get online, and may be willing to take more punishment to try a new network. Thankfully SB3 will be changing that. |
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rabbitcancer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Don't you mean Iron Butterfly? |
Nope - Iron Curtain...
All the bands from that era...the Moscow Kings....the Gorbachev 5....the K.G.B. orchestra...
All the greats...
| Quote: | | Are SB3 testers allowed to connect to IVAO, or do we need to talk to someone first? |
Try Elvis - he's as dead as this issue...
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jacaru
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Luke wrote: | | joel wrote: | | No one, according to my knowledge. |
What would be the steps necessary to do so? Are SB3 testers allowed to connect to IVAO, or do we need to talk to someone first?
Cheers!
Luke |
I could make two assumptions then:
- Either there is IVAO staff among SB3 beta testers
- Or SB3 is not compatible with Ivap and they cant use on IVAO any client but SB3 (thats for IVAO users). I would think many SB3 beta testers have at least an IVAO account.
An arises two questions for me:
- If Ivap is not compatible with SB3 what is going to happen at release? I use IVAO or VATSIM or FPI depending on the region im flying or the event i am attending (this is one of the reasons you may find me here bitching about network compatibility but for me is going to be an issue, maybe for you it is not). If this is the case and seeing how the situation is developing lastly it would not surprise me if no one worried about solving this incompatility thus being me (the user) limitated even more.
- I know for a fact that FSinn and Ivap have had and may still have problems being installed together. Would be the same case than before, but it does nt belong to this forum. |
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joel
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you'll be limited only by the fact that if you want to use SB3, you must login to VATSIM.
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jacaru
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| joel wrote: | Well, you'll be limited only by the fact that if you want to use SB3, you must login to VATSIM.
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Yes, I know My concern comes from the though that there may be incompatibilities between SB3 and Ivap in such a way that both could not be installed together and i would be forced to install/uninstall the corresponding/not corresponding network software each time i use one network or another. |
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